LaRouche on: "Straight Talk Live" Columbus, Ohio

Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed for one hour April 26 on host Khari Enaharo's "Straight Talk Live" Sunday morning broadcast in Columbus, Ohio. The program was also streamed live on the website of the radio station Magic 98.9 website.

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ENAHARO: Good morning! And welcome to Straight Talk Live, with Khari Enaharo, your Sunday morning tradition heard exclusively on Magic 98.9. I am Khari Enaharo, also known as Brother K. This is your show, you are the expert. This show is designed with you in mind. You know, we don't do CNN and Fox here, we do Straight Talk Live. And we've got a lot, a lot to cover in this next hour with the world-renowned expert on economics and a whole bunch of other things.

But let me open up by saying, economic demand is falling faster than any time since the 1930s. Inventories have been trimmed, and budgets cut to muddle through the down times. Foreign trade has slowed to a crawl, auto sales are down by 40%, some say even more now. Unemployment is rising, at 650,000 per month. Policymakers have pushed through an $800 billion stimulus plan, but it won't be nearly enough many say, to stop the steady rise in unemployment, or take up the slack in the economy, where industrial output has been cut in half; some say even less than that. New construction has dropped to record lows; manufacturing has fallen off a cliff, and economists warn that when the government doesn't step in to provide stimulus to increase aggregate demand, consumers cut back sharply on spending, and push the economy deeper into a depression.

Joining me to discuss this, is the legendary Lyndon LaRouche, who said, on July 25, 2007 in a worldwide webcast, he said the following, and I quote: "There is no possibility of a non-collapse of the present financial system. None! It's finished now! The present financial system cannot continue to exist under any circumstances, under any Presidency, under any leadership, or any leadership of nations. Only a fundamental and sudden change in the world monetary financial system will prevent a general immediate chain-reaction type of collapse, at what speed we don't know, but it will go on, and it will be unstoppable! And, the longer it goes on before coming to an end, the worse it will get."

Mr. LaRouche, how are you doing?

LAROUCHE: Well, I'm holding up; the country's not doing too well.

ENAHARO: Talk to me. Now, we've got a lot of things I want to talk about, covering that, but you know, before we even get to the collapse of the system, we got this ... I've noticed on your website — larouchepac.com — for those people who want to know about it, you can go there. [spells it out] As a matter of fact, while we're talking, you can go there right now and follow it.

You mentioned on your website — I just saw it, and I've been following it very closely — this whole notion of the swine flu outbreak. You're saying that this could — and I remember you mentioning that one of the things that the world leaders, the British as you say, wanted to do, was to cut the world population dramatically. Are we beginning to the see the beginning of a widespread pandemic, or is it possible that this could be the thing that they're putting in place to make that happen? We saw where there are 500,000 caskets in Georgia. We see where in Chicago, they're putting people on all kinds of emergency alert. We saw down in Arizona they've got mass graves, and in other spots, it looks like they're preparing for something very dramatic.

LAROUCHE: Well, you've got a condition which is an epidemic condition, more than any one disease. What's happening is, the feeding of the population, the health care of the population, the physical conditions of life, are all presently in such a form that disease is spreading, all kinds of disease, is spreading in an epidemic form internationally. It's a global economic breakdown crisis which is the principal cause of this.

ENAHARO: Now, when you say "global economic breakdown crisis" —let's come back to that — what do you mean?

LAROUCHE: That the present financial system cannot exist in any form. The only chance is to create a new economic system — which we could do on a dime if we wanted to — to get us out of this mess. But the present system, the present financial system with all its bail-out features especially, can not survive. And either we change the system, or we don't survive.

ENAHARO: Now, when you say we don't survive, you're talking about the entire world is crashing down.

LAROUCHE: I'm talking about an intended, by the British monarchy, explicitly said, the World Wildlife Fund, the intention is the reduce the present world population from over 6.5 billion people to less than one, less than two.

ENAHARO: Whooaa! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! You mean that, now isn't that Prince Philip?

LAROUCHE: Yep, that's him.

ENAHARO: Isn't that Prince Philip's group? The World Wildlife Fund? This is just the person that our President went over to see, and you're saying that he is behind an effort to reduce the world population by 4 billion people?

LAROUCHE: Well, he and his stooge, Al Gore.

ENAHARO: Al Gore?

LAROUCHE: Sure, Al Gore is his stooge.

ENAHARO: Well, how are they going to reduce the world population by 4 billion?

LAROUCHE: Well, all kinds of ways. You're having a breakdown crisis, and when you have a break — You know, the system depends upon the, not the money economy as such, but the physical economy. When the physical conditions of life — disease protection, food, all these kinds of things. When these begin to break down, as they are breaking down, then you have effects because the economy is not just a money thing. The economy is the sustenance of human existence.

ENAHARO: Now — go ahead ...

LAROUCHE: Well, that's where problem is. Everything on which life depends — for example, you have to consider these suicides, which are breaking out now. Whole families, the father is taking and killing and the children and the wife at night while they sleep, while they go to sleep quietly. Then, he kills himself, and the argument is, that doesn't want to leave, when he's going to kill himself, he doesn't leave them behind unprotected, so he takes them with him. This is also a disease; it has the effect of an epidemic.

ENAHARO: Now, what can we do? You have recommended some things to get us out of this breakdown system. What steps can be taken, or should be taken right now, to get us out of this?

LAROUCHE: Well, if the President of the United States wished to save the nation, he has the power to launch proposals with other nations, and this would include Russia, China, India, other countries. We could have an international change in economic policy, and by that cooperation, we could reverse this trend.

ENAHARO: Now, what kind of change would that be?

LAROUCHE: Wed have to take and say, "First of all, stop the bail-out." If my proposals had been carried out, that I made back in July of 2007, we would have been out of the mess by the Fall of the year. But what happened instead of taking those kinds of measures, what they did is they went with this process which we call bail-out. The bail-out has simply taken and created a lot of money to bail out a bunch of thieves, Wall Street and similar types around the world, instead of trying to save the economic system. They're shutting down our industries; they're shutting down our agriculture; shutting down our infrastructure; breaking up, ruining our health care system. So, all the things which are happening now, are things which, if they are allowed to continue, will put this world into a chaos internationally.

ENAHARO: Now, if you were talking to President Obama right now, what would you say to him?

LAROUCHE: [chuckles] I'd probably say to him, "C'mon, cut it out kiddo. Wake up! Get out these bankers! Get out of these crazy ideas."

ENAHARO: Now, you talked about these behavioral economists, that are developing economic policy, like Larry Summers and other people like that — who was the former president of Harvard. You seem, according to your website, that you've got a big problem with them.

LAROUCHE: Of course. They're terrible. If we don't — I would say that they have to be fired immediately. There's no chance that this Administration, Obama, it won't exist; it'll collapse under this crisis. For example, he's still maintaining a surface popularity of about 64%, something like that. But his actual popularity, in terms of the economy, is down to about 35%.

ENAHARO: It's 35%? Based on what?

LAROUCHE: Based on what people just don't like about this economy. They think his policy is crazy; they think the present policies of the United States are crazy. And they're right!

ENAHARO: Now, you're saying that more attention has been given to the banks, more attention money has been given to Wall Street, and not to the people, to help them bail out their situation.

LAROUCHE: Well, of course, what the people need is, they need employment, they need health care, things like that. These are the things that are being cut.

ENAHARO: Now, we just saw recently, that a CFO, a financial officer, official financial officer for Freddie Mac, committed suicide. Now, people are asking, wow, that's a little strange. Here's a man who commits suicide in the midst of an important investigation. Not that he was a target of the investigation, he just got an $800,000 bonus, and he just hired private security.

LAROUCHE: I don't ...

ENAHARO: And then he winds up committing suicide!

LAROUCHE: Well, I don't think he committed suicide.

ENAHARO: What do you think happened?

LAROUCHE: Somebody suicided him.

ENAHARO: Whoooaa! Why?

LAROUCHE: Well, look, he had no criminality, as far as we know.

ENAHARO: Right.

LAROUCHE: He was not a high binder. He was in there holding a position. The problem was, is that the present Administration wanted him to keep his mouth shut. His problem was that by law, he had to disclose the information the Administration did not want him to disclose. Therefore, he became scared. He hired private security, and the suicide as described, is crazy. He took some material out of machine in his basement, when he had plenty of rope in the house. He could have hung himself by other means. Why'd he take the machine apart to hang himself? This, everything about this smells of a suiciding, not of a person committing suicide. He was killed! The whole idea of suicide is, they have no reason known to mankind presently, why he should have committed suicide. The only problem he had, was he was saying, "I have to talk. I have to tell the truth. It's part of my responsibility." And people were saying, "Well, the Administration doesn't want you to talk. Shut up!" He says, "No, I've got to talk." Next thing you know, he's dead.

ENAHARO: Wow! And we've seen a lot of this over the years, I mean, we've seen a lot of accidental, and so-called accidental deaths. We've seen a lot of suicides by people in strategic ... So, so, Mr. LaRouche, what did he know? Or what is it that you think he knew —

LAROUCHE: Well —

ENAHARO: — that led to his being suicided?

LAROUCHE: Well, see, he's an administrator and responsible official. He was the highest ranking surviving official of Freddie Mac. Now, what he had to disclose were the facts about the nature of the housing crisis and related crisis which came into the department of Freddie Mac's operations. All he had to do was tell the truth. But if he told the truth, that would say that Obama's program now on housing, is crazy.

ENAHARO: It's crazy? Whooa, whoa, whoa, whoa. People love Obama! What do you mean when you say it's crazy?

LAROUCHE: It's crazy! This policy, this bail-out he's going with now, the rate of collapse of mortgages, the rate of evictions, is skyrocketting, and that doesn't have to be the case. But the President has been induced, by Larry Summers and other people, to take this kind of cover-up policy instead of telling the truth. If the President were to tell the truth, he wouldn't have any problem.

ENAHARO: So, let's get into this behavioral economist thing, just for a second. A lot of people are not aware of — you have a strong opposition, you want Obama to fire them all and get them out of there so that he can move forward. What's wrong with these people?

LAROUCHE: Well, they're evil, actually. Larry Summers is evil. I know his record, I've know him for a long time. I don't know him personally, but I've followed him. I followed him when he came into the administration before, the Clinton Administration. And he was the guy who sank Glass-Steagall. It was his sinking of Glass-Steagall that led to this crash. This was back in the last period of the Clinton Administration, while Clinton was in trouble. And he took over, and rammed through this cancellation of Glass-Steagall, which had been put in by Roosevelt, to protect us from exactly this kind of problem. Now, he was a thief — I mean, he's on record as a thief, from Harvard, where he had a swindle with Russia. And he's on the record on that. The amount of money he's stolen in effect, is enormous, even personally. He's tied to a bunch in Britain who are trying to bring us down. And Obama's mistake was that trip to London, to kiss the Queen.

ENAHARO: What do you mean, his mistake? That's something he had to do. He was going to the GS-20 summit, which we're going to get into in a minute. Why was that a mistake?

LAROUCHE: Well, he shouldn't have gone there. He should have simply said, "I'm not going." He should have stuck to the policy he had when the Prime Minister was coming here. He should have stuck to that policy. He went over and kissed the Queen, and it's the British that are sinking us.

ENAHARO: Now, what's wrong with him paying homage, or acknowledging the Queen? All Presidents have done this.

LAROUCHE: Well, not good ones.

ENAHARO: What? Wait a minute! Maybe I need an understanding. Many people have this view of the Queen as being this kindly old woman, who has led Britain all of these years. What is your problem with the Queen?

LAROUCHE: She's a poor imitation of the Witch of Endor.

ENAHARO: Oh! You calling the Queen a witch! Oh, my goodness!

LAROUCHE: Well, that's what she is, in effect. She's evil.

ENAHARO: OK, give me documented evidence of her wickedness.

LAROUCHE: How about drugs?

ENAHARO: OK, let's start with drugs. Go ahead.

LAROUCHE: The British Empire, since the 1790s, has been running the international drug traffic. And the Queen, as head of state, she is responsible for this. The rate of drug — for example, let's take Afghanistan. Now, in Afghanistan, a farmer who is working under duress, that is, the gangsters who run this drug operation, force the farmer to grow opium. They say, we'll kill you if you don't. He grows opium. He doesn't get paid much for it. He gets maybe the equivalent of a few hundred dollars a year for his crop. That crop, when it gets into Europe, or the United States, is peddled as opium products for well over $1 million. The dope traffic, just as it was under the British who launched this dope operation against China back in the 1790s when it began. And this thing has been run by the British Empire ever since then.

ENAHARO: You mean — whoa, whoa whoa. We have heard just the opposite, as you well know. We have never heard, except through you guys, that Britain has been associated with any drugs; the British Empire's ever been associated — well, there's something historically, but certainly not now, we haven't heard this. So ...

LAROUCHE: Oh yeah. This is all the time. Its what you hear about George Soros.

ENAHARO: All right, tell me about George Soros.

LAROUCHE: George Soros is the world's biggest drug pusher, and he does it for the British Crown. He's an agent of the British Foreign Office.

ENAHARO: Now, where's the Queen's hand in all of this?

LAROUCHE: It's the British Monarchy is behind it.

ENAHARO: The British Monarchy is responsible for the world's drug trade.

LAROUCHE: Yes.

ENAHARO: But wait a minute. We've heard about the guys down in Colombia, we've heard about everywhere else but the British Empire. Is it because they control the media?

LAROUCHE: Well, that's why I got into a lot of trouble, you know, because I exposed this stuff. And the Colombia thing is run by the British. Well, you see, we had people like George HW Bush, who was also complicit in this operation. I had a big fight with George Bush, you know, back in the, especially in the 1980s.

ENAHARO: I remember that.

LAROUCHE: And he was, it over his deal with the drug pushers. He wanted the money!

ENAHARO: Oh, my goodness! Whooo! What people don't know! What we really don't know! OK, now let me be clear about this. That means that the Queen of England, according to what you're saying, the Queen of England is the number one controller of the drug, illegal drug trafficking on the planet.

LAROUCHE: Well, as the head of state, she is.

ENAHARO: As the head of state, she is. Now, when you say British Empire, give me a definition of what you mean, because I know you're not talking about the nation of Great Britain, are you? Or what are you talking about when you say British Empire?

LAROUCHE: Well, the British Empire is actually an international financial cartel, which happens to control the seat of government of the United Kingdom. It also is the greatest oppressor of Africa. I mean, one of my concerns is, there's only one way to save Africa: the first thing you've got to do is get the British Empire out of there.

ENAHARO: Are they running drugs into Africa now?

LAROUCHE: Well, not so much drugs; they're killing people.

ENAHARO: They're reducing the population.

LAROUCHE: Well, they had a policy. It was a policy Henry Kissinger supported back in the middle of the 1970s. The policy was, Africa has natural resources. "We don't want the population of Africa to increase. We don't want" — we and the British, and that's Kissinger — "We and the British don't want Africa to maintain its present level of population. We want them to reduce their population and not get modern technology. Because we want to conserve the raw materials of Africa for our future use," that is the British Empire and the United States. And that was the policy that Kissinger and others annunciated in the middle of the 1970s. And that is the policy today. The policy today for Africa, is mass murder, and leading elements in the United States are behind it.

ENAHARO: Leading elements? Well, stay right there. Joining me is Lyndon LaRouche. Lyndon LaRouche was a candidate for the U.S. Presidential nomination of the, for the Presidential nomination of the Democratic Party in 1980, 1984, 1988, '92, '96, and 2000. He is the author of 14 books and thousands of articles, and he is over at larouchepac.com. Mr. LaRouche, we've got a lot of people waiting to talk to you. I tell you what I want you to do; stay right there; don't go nowhere. [station break, including LAR c/v and website]

Mr. Lyndon LaRouche, let's go to the G-20 summit and all the things that came out there. What's your assessment of this G-20 summit? Was it worth the trip, or was it a fraud?

LAROUCHE: It was a fraud; the whole thing is a fraud. Well, it's not only a fraud, but for those who know it, it's intentional mass murder, because —

ENAHARO: Whoa, whoa whoa! You said "intentional mass murder." What do you mean?

LAROUCHE: When the policies that are being introduced now, by the U.S. government and by some other institutions internationally, can have no possible effect but to increase the death rate at an accelerating rate globally.

ENAHARO: Give me an example.

LAROUCHE: Well, it's happening right in the United States. We're having people committing suicide. You have guys, particularly in this East Coast, who are at night, killing their children and wife, and then killing themselves. And the reason they kill themselves is, they've gotten into big financial trouble — the eviction process is part of this process — and therefore they don't want their ... They're going to commit suicide because they have an impossible situation, legally and otherwise, because of their financial troubles.

ENAHARO: Now — go ahead.

LAROUCHE: And they don't want their children and wife to live after they've killed themselves, because they know they'll live under impossible conditions. And therefore, the motive is, to kill the children and the wife at night while they're sleeping, so as not to induce any pain, and then kill themselves.

ENAHARO: Now, we've heard a lot about the possibility of a world bank and a new world currency replacing the dollar. What's your take on that?

LAROUCHE: That it's an idiotic idea. What you have to do is, you have to save the U.S. dollar. But you have to save it according to our Constitution, not according to British ideas. If we put the world into bankruptcy reorganization, under what we in the United States understand as bankruptcy law, we then freeze things that can't be paid, or we cancel them. If they're swindlers, we cancel them. If they're — what we have to do also is save our dollar, and save our banking system under Glass-Steagall standards.

ENAHARO: Now, for people who don't know about Glass-Steagall, and there are many people who don't, what is the Glass-Steagall Act, and what was it designed to do?

LAROUCHE: It said that the regular banks, the banks upon which the economy depends, and the people depend, individually, cannot afford to put their savings at risk because of high binding Wall Street type operations. Therefore, Roosevelt introduced the Glass-Steagall Act, which actually is the intention of the Constitution, to prevent banks, real banks, banks of deposit, so-called chartered state and Federal banks, from engaging in Wall Street-type speculative practices, such as Goldman Sucks, as I call it.

ENAHARO: Ha, ha, ha! Not Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sucks!

LAROUCHE: So, what's happened is, is that what I proposed is simply, back in 2007, is that the Federal government must look at the general collapse coming on, put the banking system under bankruptcy protection. That is, that meant, freeze the situation on these mortgages, until we can sort the thing out. And we have to keep the people in their homes, because we cannot have people evicted from their homes. That's the beginning of the end for the economy.

ENAHARO: And that's exactly what's happening. We're reading now that 600,000 foreclosed homes have disappeared; they're anticipating millions more. 5 million more foreclosures between now and 2011; thats devastating news.

LAROUCHE: Well, this is something the President should cancel; he should stop it; he should stop it entirely. This is where the Freddie Mac suicide, or so-called suicide comes in. He shouldn't have done it, but he's under pressure from Larry Summers.

ENAHARO: Now, let's go back to this world bank and this new currency. We're talking about the IMF, we're told, is going to be issuing some new kinds of things, and we're told we might even see the evolution — we heard Geithner, the Treasury Secretary, might give it consideration.

LAROUCHE: Well, he's a stupid wimp anyway. He's not entirely stupid, but he's a wimp. You wouldn't want him around with a serious problem on your hands. He's just a stooge for Larry Summers.

ENAHARO: He's a stooge. Now, they want this new world currency. They want a world bank. What is your position on this?

LAROUCHE: Well, you want to have a new Dark Age? You want to have a sudden collapse of the population of the planet? You can get it! All you have to do is do that.

ENAHARO: Why?

LAROUCHE: Because it's stupid. What you do is — you see, the world depends ... For example, China has 1.4 billion people, India has 1.1 billion people. Now, on the way down, all these countries are now in a process of collapsing. The economies are collapsing; not just the United States. The economies of Europe are collapsing; the economies of Asia are collapsing; the economies of South America are collapsing. Central America is collapsing, partly because of the drug pushing by George Soros and company. So therefore, you're now in a general collapse of the world economy. All you can do is, say we rebuild the economy on the basis of the U.S. dollar, because the U.S. dollar accounts are the basis for the physical economy of the entire world. If you don't defend the dollar, China goes into a disintegration. If you don't defend the dollar, Russia goes into a disintegration. Eventually, even India goes into a disintegration. Europe is already in a process of disintegration. The United States is in a process of accelerating disintegration. You've got to stop this bail-out nonsense. And all this, you know, world bank stuff, this IMF stuff, this world currency thing, is simply ensures the collapse of the world economy and the collapse of the U.S. and the world population.

ENAHARO: Now, we're seeing the collapse of the U.S. automobile industry. I mean, I'm even afraid to go out here and buy a new car here from General Motors, because I don't even know if they're going to be around. They're giving me these great guarantees, but they may not be around.

LAROUCHE: That's right. They're being collapsed; they're being collapsed intentionally. Look, I was involved in this, in reorganizing the auto industry in 2005. At that time, you know, I was involved in defending Social Security. We succeeded in defending that; mobilizing people to do that. But then, in February of 2006, under Pelosi and company, we went in the opposite direction. And we haven't had any decent legislation out of the Congress since February 2006.

ENAHARO: Now, wait a minute. You're a Democratic, and yet, you're, you are really angry with Nancy Pelosi, who is the Speaker of the House. Why?

LAROUCHE: She's no damn good!

ENAHARO: [laughs] OK, why is she no good?

LAROUCHE: She's just a stooge for these — she works high binders, you know, financial high binders like George Soros, the drug pusher, and people like that.

ENAHARO: You're talking about also Barney Frank, and he's the Congressman, I think he's chairman of the House Banking Committee, out of Massachusetts. You say he's also that way.

LAROUCHE: Well, he's a different kind of case. I think he's slightly crazy, among other things. But his policy, which he's taking under direction of the Establishment, he's going with the Establishment, and that's what he's doing. And it's wrong; it's immoral. I don't assume he has any motives for thievery personally. He has ambition of his own kind.

ENAHARO: You just think that what he's doing is incorrect. [crosstalk] Go ahead, Mr. LaRouche.

LAROUCHE: He knows it's incorrect, but he's doing it under pressure.

ENAHARO: Under pressure. Stay right there. Magic 98.9, you're on the air with Lyndon LaRouche, go ahead.

Q: Yes, Khari, how you doing? I need to ask Dr. LaRouche a couple of questions on Barack.

ENAHARO: Go ahead.

Q: Are you honestly, are you trying to tell the American people too that, is he aware — you're acting like he's not aware of what's going on.

LAROUCHE: I think in a large degree, he is not really aware. He has a — [crosstalk]

Q: — for George Soros?

LAROUCHE: I think — no, its more than that. What it is, is really more political. George Soros is actually an agency of the British Empire, and he's a very powerful influence; he has a lot of money, especially drug money.

Q: But, what I don't understand is, what's going to happen — I'm concerned with African-Americans. How's this going to play out for African-Americans in this country under President Obama. Is he going to help them in the long run, or is he going to end up hurting them in the long run?

LAROUCHE: That's what I've been trying to get him to change. I've been warning him, scolding him strongly, that what he's doing under the influence of Larry Summers and people like that, and under the British influence, is against the interests of the United States, and against what he said he stood for when he became President. He changed his policy from what it had been when he was still in the United States, when the British visited here. And he went to London, and he kissed their butt.

Q: Are you sure he's innocent of not knowing? I just don't buy that.

LAROUCHE: I think he does not really understand some things.

ENAHARO: And you guys have been strong supporters of President Obama.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, well sure, but I'm still trying to save the guy, but he's headed for disaster.

ENAHARO: What do you mean, he's headed for disaster? He's got a 60% approval rating, people love him. How can he be headed for disaster?

LAROUCHE: He's got a 35% popularity for his policies. They still like him, but they hate his policies.

Q: How is this going to effect — see, African-Americans love him. They worship him. Why can't he see what's happening to them, what's going on in this country?

LAROUCHE: That's a question I posed; exactly that. You got to start with the basics, without speculation. What we know is, that his policies are destroying the United States, his current policies. These policies were a change in policy from what he initially stated were his intentions when he became President. So, he underwent a change in policy, and it's under the influence, the guy who has most of the face-to-face time with the President, is Larry Summers, who is a crook. So, it's Larry Summers is the strongest influence on the President. My proposal is fire Larry Summers now, while you still have a country to save.

ENAHARO: And if you fire Larry Summers, or those behavioral economists that's around him, who then do you put in place?

LAROUCHE: Well, you already have people in place. We have people who are — eliminate these crazy behavioral psychologists, economists. Eliminate Larry Summers, and in that case, the President will then rely upon the other people who were appointed to form his Cabinet and other elements of his government. Then, he will be getting good advice. The basic problem now is, the President is getting stinkingly bad advice. It's incompetent advice; it's worse than incompetent.

ENAHARO: And eventually, you're saying, it's going to take down his Presidency if he doesn't get rid of these people. LAROUCHE: Exactly.

ENAHARO: Now, Mr. LaRouche, let me go back a little bit. I want people to try to understand behavioral economics. Were hearing it more and more and more. What is behavioral economics?

LAROUCHE: It's brainwashing. Mass brainwashing of the population. Trying to fool them.

ENAHARO: Give me an example. Give me an example of what you're talking about so it can connect with people.

LAROUCHE: Well, what they're saying is, the policy now is environmentalist, and the policy is to get people to accept a lower standard of living, even if it means their death. Now, what you have to do is try and find some way to sell that garbage to a credulous population. And that's all it is. You say, "Do you want a choice? You can have a choice. How many deaths do you want? You can have more this way, less this way. Which do you want?" In other words, all they're doing is giving you choices between bad things, and asking you which is your democratic preference. Do you want to die this way, or do you want to die that way? Do you want to hang yourself, or be shot? It's that kind of policy.

ENAHARO: So, in effect, we're being hoodwinked into a sick acceptance of two evils. Is that what you're telling me?

LAROUCHE: Well, more than that. What I'm saying is, the American people are generally not too courageous. They're worried, they're frightened. Now, you have two layers. You have the upper income brackets, which tend to be, tend to go along with this stuff more. You know, the upper 20% will say, "Look, I'm not a bad person, but I've got to take care of my own interest. I can't take care of all those poor people. I cannot sacrifice my interest for all these poor people. I've got to keep my money. I've got to protect my financial interest. I've got a health care policy; I've got this. You want me to sacrifice this for those poor people?" That's the policy; that's the way it works. Now, what's happening though, is you'll find — see, the people still defend Obama, because they remember George Bush.

ENAHARO: Aah! Good point; good point. Because Bush was so bad.

LAROUCHE: They were so glad to get rid of this bum.

ENAHARO: Yeah, you guys were pretty hard on Bush. Mr. LaRouche, before we go to other callers, what is the Pecora Commission, and why do you back it?

LAROUCHE: All right. When Roosevelt came in, he had a mess on his hands, and he had to take the kind of drastic action which I proposed in 2007. He took those kinds of actions. He put in laws which are consistent with the intention of our Constitution. But he had to deal with a bunch of actual Hitler supporters and Mussolini supporters who were running Wall Street, and who were running the Democratic Party at the top, and were running the Republican Party at the top at the time. So, he had to ram through emergency measures from the first day when he walked into the White House, when he had barely a pencil on his desk to work with, and some women in the outer office who were doing his message running for him. He took a number of measures which saved the United States. It saved the world from Hitler actually, too. And so, among this, was to expose the fascists on Wall Street. I mean fascists — for example, the grandfather of the President just leaving, George W Bush.

ENAHARO: Prescott Bush.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, Prescott Bush is the guy who issued the note which saved Hitler from bankruptcy in time for Hitler to become the dictator of Germany. So, that is the Bush family tradition! And we had these suckers in there. Now, you had JP Morgan, Harriman and company, all these people were involved in this. And what he had when he came in as President, he had to deal with this bunch of scum, who under the Coolidge administration and the Hoover administration, had been the supporters of Mussolini and the Hitler project. He had to fight these people. So therefore, he took a number of actions, including establishing a Congressional commission, investigative commission with subpoena powers.

ENAHARO: This is the Pecora Commission.

LAROUCHE: Right! And Pecora, as the agent of that operation, exposed the fraud of the banking system, exposed the fraud of the Wall Street financial system, and he was much hated. And Roosevelt was much hated, because he took the cookies away from the thieves.

ENAHARO: Mr. LaRouche, how much influence — we've heard of Nazism, or the Nazis, from Hitler. Are we still seeing a lot of Nazi influence in our policymaking today?

LAROUCHE: If you understood what Nazism was then and is now, yes.

ENAHARO: OK, help me to understand.

LAROUCHE: Because, take the case of this Amity Schlaes, who runs the attack, her little attack on Roosevelt's reputation. It's all lies. Well, what she's supporting is a group of organizations, such as the American Enterprise Institute, these influential think-tank institutes, which are actually heirs of the same organizations, Wall Street-based organizations, which backed Hitler back in the 1930s. And, this is the crowd that Roosevelt had to put under control. Unfortunately, Truman was sympathetic to these guys, so when Roosevelt died, there was a sudden change between April 12th and April 13th of 1945. And the policies of the United States went in a completely different direction on the day after Roosevelt died.

ENAHARO: Now, how does Obama deal with these Nazi influences?

LAROUCHE: I don't think he understands them.

ENAHARO: OK. When you say he doesn't understand them, why do you say that?

LAROUCHE: Everything I've seen that he says, it shows no comprehension whatsoever of this thing.

ENAHARO: Is this thing that deep?

LAROUCHE: It's that deep. We've got a virtual bunch of Nazis controlling the international Anglo-American community, in terms of the top down, the financial community, and admittedly it takes courage sometimes for people to fight this. And if people don't have a sense of immortality, they sometimes don't have the courage to fight. And some of us have a sense of immortality, and we do have the courage to fight. Were willing to put our lives on the line for the sake of future generations. Most people today are not willing to do that.

ENAHARO: That's deep. Stay right there. Magic 98.9, you're on the air with Lyndon LaRouche. Go ahead.

Q: Yes, I was very interested to know what Mr. LaRouche has to say about the Noriega situation.

ENAHARO: About Panama? Oh, oh Noriega, yes. He wants to know about Noriega, Mr. LaRouche.

LAROUCHE: Well, Noriega was involved in an operation, he was also fighting drugs. He was a little bit of an opportunist, but they got rid of him because George Bush got rid of him. That was George HW Bush that did that.

ENAHARO: That was George W Bush's man, is that right?

LAROUCHE: No, he wasn't George W Bush's man, that's not. George HW Bush —

ENAHARO: I'm sorry, George HW Bush, yes.

LAROUCHE: — was a guy who was tied into the drug cartels, politically, in that area. Noriega was fighting against what George Bush was defending in that area. And George Bush got a bonus as you know, Vice President, and later as President, but as Vice President. And George Bush wanted Noriega out of the way, when he would become President.

ENAHARO: Oh, interesting. Now, let me go back to this George Soros. George Soros and other people aligned with him, you say, are pushing to legalize drugs, and you have total opposition to this. When, in fact, why not legalize marijuana, and why not legalize some of these drugs? What problem do you have with this?

LAROUCHE: Well, remember China in the 19th Century, with opium? And every, if you look at every case where drug trafficking of this type has been legalized, the nation has been destroyed.

ENAHARO: Destroyed in what way?

LAROUCHE: Self-destroyed; the people destroy themselves, and become useless.

ENAHARO: They become useless and dysfunctional.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, because they are, not only because of the physical effects of the drugs, but because of the mental effect of dependency on drugs.

ENAHARO: Man, my goodness. [call drops off from station]. OK, Mr. LaRouche, I believe you're back with me. [Inaudible] asking the question, who controls the Illuminati?

LAROUCHE: Well, that's a dangerous question to use, because it's —

ENAHARO: Hold on. Caller, can you get situation — OK, go ahead Mr. LaRouche.

LAROUCHE: Well, that term is a misleading term in the way it's used.

ENAHARO: Illuminati?

LAROUCHE: Yeah. There was such an organization, but that's not the point. What there was, was a force in Europe, which was actually the force that created the British Empire. And it was developed back in the 16th Century, 17th Century. And this became essentially what became the British interests. This was this international financial interest which was actually behind the creation of the British Empire.

ENAHARO: International financial interests. Mr. LaRouche, you also had mentioned something repeatedly, and I want to get into that just for a short period of time. Physical economy. A lot of people look at monetary economy, but what is physical economy?

LAROUCHE: That's real economy, as opposed to a money economy, a pure money economy. What you have with the United States, with the establishment of a fixed exchange rate system, which was inherent in our Constitution, as you know. So therefore, we established a system which was free of the British system, and that's what the difference is. So, physical economy is simply recognizing that it is not money that constitutes wealth, it's physical reality and the development of people's mental powers which is reality. And therefore, you have to look at physical reality. That is, money is not value; money is, at best, a convenience, because people as individuals have to buy, sell, and so forth. So therefore, you need a monetary unit or a credit unit, in which to have negotiation between individuals and individual organizations. But your currency must be controlled by the government, and it must be uttered by the government, by no other agency. Under our Constitution, no international money is legal. Only by treaty agreement.

ENAHARO: Mr. LaRouche, should we get rid of the Federal Reserve, or should we keep it?

LAROUCHE: We should put it in bankruptcy reorganization, and create a Bank of the United States, to re-establish our private banking system under Federal protection.

ENAHARO: Aah! So, let me be clear — are you saying do away with it, or just — well, I guess you would. You would destroy it as it is, and rebuild and create a whole new —

LAROUCHE: What you walk in is — Federal government walks in to the Federal Reserve system. "Hey, buddy, we own you. You're bankrupt. We're putting you into bankruptcy reorganization. We're taking all your assets, we're taking them over, we're parking them in a new place under reorganization. Were foreclosing, buddy. You got bankrupt, and we're foreclosing on you, and now everything you have, we own. And we're going to reorganize you."

ENAHARO: Mr. LaRouche, how long do we have? At present course, since you have been an accurate predictor of economic issues and how they relate to social issues, if we do not change our present course, how long do we have?

LAROUCHE: Were on a runaway train, a runaway locomotive, on a track that's crumbling. We don't have any time to waste. We've got to start acting now, not down the line. We don't have any maneuvering room. When people start — the disease factor we have now, there's no protection against disease. Our health care system is disintegrating, under this Administration as it was under the previous administrations. The health care system is collapsing.

ENAHARO: So, if the swine flu thing breaks out, we could lose millions of people, is what you're telling me.

LAROUCHE: By that and other conditions. And this is global; this is Argentina as well as here. It's internationally. The breakdown of the physical economy of the world, results in an outbreak of this pent-up potentiality for disease, for mass death. Bad nutrition; bad conditions; bad water. Lack of health care systems — they're breaking down. You cannot sacrifice health care systems. You can sacrifice, you know, Larry Summers, get rid of him!

ENAHARO: What do you recommend, in closing, what do you recommend we do, Mr. LaRouche?

LAROUCHE: Oh, I think we have to have a gut move from people in leadership, who are beginning to move in that direction, to put my measures through. Because there's nothing else on the table, there's nothing else competent on the agenda. And I think there are a lot of people out there who agree with what I'm saying. People of influence. If Obama would simply get rid of this bunch of creeps, there are people in the Administration — that is, on the Cabinet level, and on other levels of the Federal government — there are people in the Administration who will respond to reason and take reasonable action.

ENAHARO: OK, thank you, Lyndon LaRouche. By the way, Mr. LaRouche has a webcast that's coming up on the 28th of April, I mean this month, at 10AM, and 1PM Eastern time. And if you want more information about Lyndon LaRouche, go to larouchepac.com.

Mr. LaRouche, thank you for joining us.

LAROUCHE: Thank you.

ENAHARO: All right, I appreciate it.